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he's not a king. he's a president. >> we'll talk with all three as they battle in the gop establishment lane against a rising marco rubio. >> this notion of barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not true. >> there it s the memorized 25-second speech. >> and see if they can put a dent in the iowa frontrunners. >> going to build a wall. we're going to triple the border patrol. we're going to replace obamacare with something so much better. >> kasich, bush, and christie live only on "fox news sunday." then the battle between the two democratic candidates gets down right nasty. >> secretary clinton does represent the establishment. >> enough is enough. if you have something to say, say it directly. >> we'll ask our sunday panel whether bernie sanders put an end to the clinton coronation.
and hello again from fox news in new hampshire. we're just outside downtown manchester manchester. there is snow outside but inside davidson hall, the fire is cloeg and in two days voters head to the poll in new hampshire. last night the republican candidates debated one more time. the goal for several of them to take down rubio and to join trump and cruz in the top tier. in a few minutes, we'll talk with the three governors, christie, kasich and bush, all fighting to stay alive in the gop race. but first, fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron on winners and losers and there were some of both in last night's debate. carl? >> good morning, chris. first of the nation voters tend to wait until the very last minute to make up their minds. so last night's battles are sure to have an effect on their decisions. marco rubio got hit by kri r.
and repeated memorized lines. >> he simply does not have the experience to be presidentst united states and make she's decisions. >> i think the it experience is not just what did you but how it worked out under chris christie's governorship of new jersey, they've been downgraded nine times in their credit rating. >> that's what washington, d.c. does, drive by with incomplete information and then the memorized 25-second speech. >> your state got hit by a massive snowstorm two weeksago. you didn't want to go back. this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is not true. >> there it is. there it s the memorize 25 second speech. >> donald trump defended his support for eminent domain and jeb bush called him out for how he's used it. >> they all want the keystone pipeline.
eminent domain won't go 20 feet. >> he tried tie the property of an elderly woman on the strip of las vegas. >> a lot of time property from an elderly woman. >> let me talk, quiet. >> a lot of times -- force. >> eminent dough nan is unpopular in new hampshire. there is a project proposed years to bring cower lines from canada throughout north country and it has been stalled by residents' objections. the governors really seemed to reassert themselves yesterday. now, chris, it's a sprinlt for the next two days until the polls close on tuesday night. >arl, thanks for. that now to the firstt of the three governors stopping by our manchester set here today, the mamaat the center of the marco rubio episode, new jersey governor chris christie. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you. >> your takedown of marco rubio and that's all i can call irt, was the story of the night. here is one more clip. >> from protecting the people of florida from eminent domain of
the va and to sanctioning terrorist groups, i'm proud of my service in the united states senate. >> the fact is -- the fact is when you talk about hezbollah sanctions act that you list as one of your accomplishments. ou weren't even there to vote for it. that is not leadership. that is trueancytruancy. >> so, governor, what do you think last night's debate revealed about marco rubio? >> first off, i think it revealed something about what you need to be president of the united states. you have to be tested. you have to be prepared. you have to be experienced. you have to be ready. and quite frankly, that's what i tried to shoatew the folks last night that i'm tested and prepared and ready. what i've been saying about senator rubio was on full display last night. he's not ready, chris. he's a good guy but he's not ready to be president of the united states. >> you showed and you have been a long time prosecutor, you showed how skilled you are at that as rubio seemed almost to unravel like a witness under
how did you feel? >> i felt justified. because i've been saying this for a long time. i don't think that people have been really listening. but the fact is there were a lot of people watching and listening last night. it's not about marco rubio. it's about our country. it's about the american people. we've had a president for seven years who was the first united states senator who never managed anything in his entire life and our government is unraveling. we have the russians and ukraine in crimea. we have syria falling apart, libya falling apart. our economy is growing at .7% and middle class wages are going backwards. we don't need another on the job training in the white house. we need someone that has done this stuff and i've done it. i felt that and i'm glad the american people are getting to see this before they make a mistakes. >> according to the real clear politics average of the recent polls here in new hampshire, you are running sixth at this point with less than 5% support. there are some political observers who watched last night and said, you know, you really hurt rubio but did you help
you're in now which is not too good? >> none of the polls were taken after last night, were they? and what people saw last night, millions of people saw last night was that i'm ready to be president of the united states. and -- >> how doo you show that? i know you showed the flaws in rubio. how did you show your leadership just because you took him down? >> he tried to come at me. i answered him every time because i've been tested. who do you want on that stage against hillary clinton? do you want -- do republicans want to see someone who can absolutely answer secretary clinton's every question in a debate in september so that we actually win the presidency? or do we want to see someone who will crumble in front of hillary clinton? that is extraordinarily important. there is about the american people, chris. we need an experienced president. we need a successful presidency. the a arican people desperately need it. d i have been testst, whether it is rebuilding my state after hurricane sandy or standing up
teachers union, i'm tough to take on hillary clinton and tough enough to take on the problems that face the united states. >> rubio tried to get into your record. and not terribly successfully. but tried. you have had bridgegate which involved some of your top aides. you have had nine credit down grades in new jersey on your watch. new jersey has the eighth slowest job growth since the recession ended in 2009. those are not badges of honor. >> except you're using dated material. this year 2015, new jersey had the greatest job growth in 15 years. we created over 60,000 sector in new jersey. >> this january information. you're still the eighth slowest state in job recovery. >> chris, we were the slowest state when i became governor. the slowest state. and i'm working with the democratic legislature that won't do everything i want to do but with the stuff i have forced
chart. i'm not going to let anybody insult the people of new jersey who have worked hard to bring our state back. by the way, in the midst of all that, too, we were hit with the second worst natural disaster in american history that devastated our state and in light of that, to have us come back in 2015, it is extraordinary. and the people of new jersey deserve great credit and i'm honored to lead them. i won't let you insult the people of my state. >> i'm not insulting you. >> it's their state. it's not just my state. it's their state. it's our country. and i'm not going to allow hem to insult the effort of the people of new jersey thachlt done. they've done a great job. >> let me ask you about another vernor. you have to be the top governor coming out ofnew hampshire. >> that could be. >> well, there are three of you. we're going to talk to all of you one after the other. your superpac attacks john kasich for congress and governor
but governor, your wife works on wall street. in fact, she's the primary bread winner in the christie family. major industry donor to the christie campaign and superpac and the financial industry. so what is wrong with wall street. anything. >> i know. anything. and what that points out is that governor kasich, what the superpac says he is was there when lehman went down. he was the managing director whether it went down and he voted congress for bailouts to the banks and special interest loopholes. it's not about how much money he made. it's about how much money when he was in congress he let others make. and that's what the point of the commercial is, not anything else. by the way, as i said last night, john is a good governor. i'm just better. >> what about the argument,en that is our last question, that you've got four of you, three governors and rubio in the so-called establishment lane. you're all bouncing against each other. and ultimately, whatever divides
one of you win versus trump or cruz. at some point and how quickly do all l you need to coalesce arorod one of them? i know you hope it will be you. but coalesce around one of you to take them snon. >> all week the media is trying to make that we coalesce around marco rubio. after you saw that performance last night, do you think they should be coalescing around marco rubio? is that leadership we want to see on the stage against hillary clinton? this is about the american people and changing their lives. we need a strong, tough president. hillary clinton is one of the toughest political fighters in this country. crazy. bumper ccs? >> you bet. you make me laugh. 180,000 people voted in iowa. and you want to end the race. >> i don't want -- force. >> this is what you're saying. >> i asked a question. position. should you all coalesce if you're bumping up against each
>> i think you under a position. >> iner if, imfer, imply, same thing. let's let the people vote. by the way, last night, what they saw is instructive. it's instructive and needs to be seen. and my strong leadership needs to be seen and senator rubio's robotic performance needs to be seen too. >> governor christie, thank you. >> great to you have on, chris. >> did you say great to have you? >> yeah, i've pretty much taken over the show. it's over, buddy. >> really? >> i'll take the rest of the day off. let me interview bush. i'd love to. >> i'm sure you wochlt thanks for coming by. boy. wow. that was a good night, not that good. two more governors jockeying to be the establishment favorite coming out of new hampshire. we'll sit down with john kasich and jeb bush as "fox news
chaster, new hampshire.x welcome back to new hampshire where we're now just two days from the first in the nation primary. joining us now, governor john kasich of ohio. governor, welcome back. >> thank you, sir. >> with all the fuss over marco rubio last night, you said something big that seemed to me kind of flew under the radar. you said in your first 100 days as president, you will submit a comprehensive immigration reform
>> no, no, i didn't say that. what i proposed is, look, first of all, we're going to freeze all federal regulationsnsfor one year and have a vice president begin to deregulate, look at things that don't make sense, get rid of them. number, two we'll have tax cuts for businesses and for individuals. number three, we're also going to restrain government so we can get to a balanced budget. number four, let's get the border fixed. number five, let's start working on social security. >> let's go to number four. you didn't say get the border fixed, you said comprehensive immigration reform including a path to legalization. >> right. >> for those that -- look, here's the deal. finish the wall. have a guest worker program where people can come in and work and g g home and forhe 11.5 million who are here and not committed a crimeince they've beenen here, then path to legalization. >> what about the argument and you hear this from a lot of republicans that you have to fix the border.
>> before you even begin to discuss gsh. >> get the border done and do the whole thing. look, chris, i'm not -- somebody says we have to sequence it. i don't have a problem with that. okay, first get the border. then six months we do this. if that's just a little detail. but we need to get it done. i've done 100 town hall meetings here. i've met wiwi more people in new hampshire face-to-face than anybody running for prprsident. i've done thh all over the country. the country is ready for solutions. con contrary to what we hear from the pundits, the country wants answers. they want them to be conservative answers. but they don't want to just say, okay, forget it. we don't care what the democrats think. people say how are you going to bring people together? they ask me that all the time. i've done it all of my career. >> okay. i you point out. you had your 100th town hall. >> we got more coming. >> you better hurry.
you know, i looked at your cash on hand, you're almost broke. i think you have $1 million which is not a lot of money in campaigns. don't you have to finish first here among the so-called four establishment candidates? >> i've never been in the establishment. i'm not anti-establishment. >> 18 years in congress. >> i shook the whole system up. i'm offering budgets against my own president, trying to get to a balanced budget when he fell short. i reformed the welfare system. i was involved in restricting -- republican. i said after we did welfare, i said you'u' going to reform welfare for the poor. i did all those things. >> i asked you in the debate, you said you're an inside out guy. don't you have to finish first among the hybrids? >> all i have to do is finish to a point that we all think we did well here. we're going to do well. i have an army of people, chris,
best ground game than he's sneen 40 years. here's the situation, people want to be with the winner rather than make one or would be a leader rather than make one. a lot of people have money. we do well here. first of all, we are organized. wewere on the ground inouth carolina. we have people. there we have people in nevadad look, mississippi right now, we have election tomorrow and i'd win because of trent lott. we're all over the place. i see these negative ads over and over again. >> i haven't run any. isn't that interesting? i actually run a positive campaign. >> that's a knock on you. you're the "obama republican" as the ad puts it. i'm sure you've seen it. >> i haven't. >> common core, obama's medicaid expansion, tax increases. barack obama? . john kasich. >> now we checked it out.
you have raised taxes. net-net you lowered taxes. but all the rest of that is true. >> wait a minute. first of all, we cut tax business $5 billion, more than any governor in america. there is nobody balanced as many budgets as i have. cut as much taxes. wait a minute. wait a minute. first of all, chris, i propose taking 104 federal education programs, putting them into four buckets and sending them to the states. i have been clear from the very beginning that i support high standards and local control. our state school board approves the standards and local school boards are the ones that create the curriculum. i'm for total local control. washington. the education programs are all going to be moved back. >> you have said proudly that you're for higher common core establishm next. t. >> i'm for high standards which are state school board approves and they're going through it
education, approving the curriculum with the advise and cononnt of parents. it's in o o budget proposal. you can't be more local than. that zblet's take a look at -- >> let's talk about obamacare. >> let's look at. that you talk about it in one of your ads. let's run. that. >> my record, i cut taxes, balanced budgets, created jobs and rejected obamacare without leaving anyone behind. >> now you say rejected obamacare. there are a number of leading conservatives that say that's flat wrong. because you pushed for the expansion of medicaid which is a pillar of obamacare. you pushed for it sohard, you went around your republican-controlled state legislatures to impose it. >> i can explain. >> absolutely. >> ronald reagan expanded medicaid five times. i can expand medicaid without having to have obamacare. number one, it was part of
we can expand it without obamacare. i would repeal obamacare, second of all, i'm in court stug people to stop oeb obamacare. we did not create a state exchange under obamacare. i will repeal it. i'm going to chankt health care system to a point where it's really free market driven by paying for hospitals and doctors that deliver quality health care at lower prices. don't try to hang me up on obamacare. i don't like it. it doesn't control the cost of medicine. secondly, it hamstrings small business. and third lishgs it's driven up the cost of health insurance in my state by 80%. reagan did it five times by expanding medicaid. and by the way, our medicaid program has gone from over 10% growth to 2.5% in my second budget. >> governor? >> yeah? >> i want to talk longer. >> i want to end. that i want to be 6 feet tall but that's not going to happen. you have to go. >> here's the last thing.
campaign about bringing people together. the establishment people have spent five, six, seven million running ads against me. >> okay. >> wouldn't it be great if we could win being positive. >> governor, thank you. >> all right. thank you. good-bye, everyone. >> and as you gracefully leave, now, we're going to pull that out and we're going to bring in governor bush. >> they wired me in here. you got it? >> okay. you'rell set.t. >> okay. thank you. >> you can take that with you. >> okay. >> a year ago, bush was the clear front-runner for the republican nomination. now after finishing sixth in iowa, the governor is pinning a comeback in new hampshire. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> great to be with you. that was a quick transition.
>> it is sort of like cool. everybody stopping by. i feel like a barber, one chair, no waiting. >> i need a hair cut. >> you had your own dustup last night with donald trump over e issusu of eminent dodomain. let's remind people. >> to turn this into a limousine parking lot for casinos is not public use. >> a the love times you'll have -- it doesn't work very well. >> how tough is it to take property from an elderly woman. >> let me talk. quiet. a lot of times -- a lot of times -- [ booing ] >> what do you think that revealed about donald trump and how did you feel when the governor, eight year governor of the state of florida when he shushed you? >> it doesn't look like he's a a president when he thakts way. way. that's the problem. he doesn't sound like a conservative when he embraces eminent domain to use police
for public use. if you had to pick the one things conservatives go crazy about is this. in our state, we actually amended our constitution after the decision to assure it never happens. he tried to take the property of a 75-year-old woman to use it to tear down to turn night a parking lot for limousines for casinos. this is not the same thing as a pipeline or a bridge or interstate highway. >> how bad a night for your former pro shea marco rubio? >> you know, he is so scripted. he's so gifted. he's a great speaker. but he came across as totally scripted and robotic. and he just missed the sense of the question was about leadership. can you make a tough decision? and marco is gifted. but he's never had the chance to actually make a tough decision like governors do. every time i think about it, i think about eight hurricanes and four tropical storms and 16 months. you can't script.
in to help people and we did. > now, your superpac spent $20 million attacking rubio. here is a clip from one of the ads. >> marco rubio ran for senate saying he opposed amnesty, then he broke his promise joining with liberal democrats to co-author the path to citizenship bill. >> his fingerprints are allover that bill. >> and while you don't control the superpac, your campaign ran a full-page ad this week in a local paper. eight republican speakersst florida house they say, "while senator rubio is a tremendous political talent, he is not the best choice to serve a a >> exactly. >> there are other people that are focused on him. other than the fact that he's so hard? >> that's an important point. the people that know us best like marco and they pick me. all speakers prior than one that served prior to him and after him, a majority of the house and
had a chance to work with both of us. they pick me by, like, three quarters to 90% of them. the simple fact is i'm a leader. marco is a gifted, young man. and there's a big difference. we're running for the presidency of the united states here. we're not running for the back bench in the united states senate. >> i know you d d't like this quechlt question. you were on record supporting him to be romney's choice. t president but that is a heartbeat away. you said you cried for joy when he was elected in 2010. >> absolutely. yeah. >> were you wrong then? >>, no i wasn't wrong then. he's a gifted person. i was excited that he beat charlie crisp. i did support him for vice president. guess what? he supported me for vice president with mitt romney. he decided to go a different direction from both of us. we're talking about the presidencyst united states right now. we're living in dangerous times made worse by barack obama. we need someone with a steady hand that can be a commander in chief and make the tough decisions. >> do you think the guy that was
u endorsed for vice president, could be a heartbeat away from the president? >> i'm going to support the republican nominee. even if it's trump to show you how committed i am. >> how crazy you are? >> exactly. because donald trump is the guy that has the -- is completely unsteady about this stuff. but
hillary clinton would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. we need to unite behind the candidate. i think it's going to be me, to be honest. i have the proven record. solid, ccsistent, conservative record. you cannot have e meone who is not a conservative running as the nominee for the conservative party. >> you started this campaign running as your own man saying that you are shaped by your "own thinking." >> yeah. >> but this week you brought in your beloved mom, 90-year-old -- she would be mad at me for saying that -- barbara bush. >> she's happy it with. >> former first lady and your superpac is running ads in south carolina featuring your brother. here's a clip.
i know his good heart and strong backbone. jeb will uniteteur country. >> wawa keeping your family at such a distance for so long a mistake? >> no. look, there is no conflict here. i'm running for the presidencyst united states. i have to share who i am, show my life experience wlaen my ideas are to fix the mess in washington. but i'm a bush. and i've never tried to disown. that i'm totally blessed to be barbara bush's son and the brother of george w. bush and the greatest man alive is my dad. i think the timing of this is appropriate. people are just -- this is the beginning. i know there is a tendency to kind of want to create a narrative where it's all ending. we haven't really lekted a single delegate yet. iowa just started. on tuesday, new hampshire will shape this election. >> you talk about that. and i've gotten that dustup with christie and kasich before you. there is an argument that are tl are four of you -- >> i heard the comments. >> the establishment lane. >> does rubio and the three
that if you're going to beat trump and cruz, sooner rather than later, you need to get together, pick one or let the voters pick one and back that person. >> let the voters decide this like they always do. ey have this great ability to filter out the sthauf is not important, focus on the things that are. and that's why i feel confident about this. people are giving me a look as well as other candidates. and we're starting to rise up here because we spent a lot of time here. we have a great gound game. i feel good about tuesday. >> finally, senator lindsey graham who endorsed you, backed you here in new hampshire, says if you don't beat rubio -- force. >> he didn't say that. he said if i get crushed by rubio or something like that, that would be a problem. i'm not going to get crushed by anybody. >> he said -- the words he used is "you're toast." >> yeah, but he didn't say getting beat by rubio is not what he said. >> so it's okay. i mean obviously it's not okay, but you could survive if you get beat by rubio? >> chris, there are secret squirrel meeting that you get to where you decide who wins and who loses.
in iowa and coronated. i can't control that. i'm just going to work my heart out. >> but you're not -- you're on to south carolina. >> wednesday morning. i have my first event in south carolina. and we're scheduling the nevada trip, too. >> governor bush, always a pleasure. thank you for making time for us on this very busy weekend. >> am i -- >> no, can you sit right where you are. there is no more witching. and we'll track what happens over the next 48 hours. thank you, sir. >> thanks. up next, our special new hampshire sunday group joins us to discuss last night's revealing republican debate and what to look for out of the granite state. you can't predict... the market. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... ...in our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or y yr advisor ...to see how wewean help mama the most of your retirement savings.
to think i would walk away ten minutes before the caucus and say forget you about guys, who would do something like that? >> i'm sorey. >> a key moment from last night's final republican debate just hours before the voting starts here in new hampshire. it's time now for our special sunday group. anchor of "special report," bret baier, julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press. we're honored to have former new hampshire governor john sununu and political reporter from the "boston globe," john pindell. >> i think the conconsensus that
they reinforced that experience is important. i think senator rubio did step it in a couple time. i think a lot of folks have missed the two nuggets rubio got out of the nice. i think the answer on life energized the kmubt. there is a huge chunk of folks that think president obama is messing the country up on purpose. and even though he repeated it three times and got criticized for it, i think he at least got a nugget of benefit from those folks that think he was on target. >> jujue, you were the lead reporter that roet the big a.p. story overnight. your thoughts? how bad was the rubio meltdown? are we talking about rick perry oops territory here? >> if you talk to voters in new hampshire who are undecided about rubio, one of the questions that they do have is about his experience. about the fact that he has only been in the senate for one term. does he have the qualification? and i think that this could reinforce for the voters that
or he may be too cautious andnd scripted. at the same time, a lot of those voters want somebody who is a good communicator, who is able to maybe bring more people into the party. but the challenge for him is there are a lot of undecided and if this is a really tough night for him, they could lose to one of the governors. >> you've been all over the state the last few days. take big picture. your sense of this race and the degree to which last night's debate reshaped it? >> it does shuffle the ck. i think donald trump is a beneficiary. going in, he has a big lead. i talked to him last night after the debate and he said ways just looking for the clubhouse in golf terms. you know, he was just playing it safe. and i think he's finding the clubhouse. and we'll see how the rubio moment changes things. i do think it was nice that governor christie welcomed you to your show. >> i was very grateful.
hampshire is the 40% undeclared here. and they can either voo in the democrat or republican primary. they can decide that day and you're talking about a lot of people that can shift just for that day. john kasich may benefit that way, too. >> james, you've been following this, you know, except for governor sununu, we come up here before. you've been following this for months. your sense of the race, your sense of the debate is trump holding on to the lead? which of the four -- boy they hate it when we say the four so-called establishment candidates is gaining traction here? >> there are a couple things. number one, all week, the question about trump is whether or not he will take himself out by something he says or some rival will take him out. it's a question about the ground game. the same question following eye ichlt he can get the people out to vote? now we put a lot of effort in the last month. but how efficiency and how targeted those efforts are? and look, when you go to the
not from new hampshire. people are working in the call centers are people who are so devoted to him, they moved up for the last three w wks n terms of that establishment lane,we saw one key thing flip this week. this has been about the anger of the base and whether or not the candidates get it. right now we're starting to see a flip among them. who can actually beat hillary and bernie? they ride that wave earlier this week. now there are questions about it. i don't know how many people watched the debate last night. but the news coverage that marco rubio had such a bad night will have an impact. >> yououot to think that this -- >> oh, yeah. it is good to have an impact. >> one-third of republican voters say they're still making up their minds. this is about the independent voters right now. they have a number of different choice ises.
them on the republican side. john kasich is doing well. but there is a question about bernie sanders. his lead here is base ond three things. >> we're going to hold that thought for the next one. governor sununu, i think it's fair to say, i've been reading your clips,s,ou are not a fan of donald trump. i got to say, i thought he had a good night last night. >> i thought he didn't. he flubed badly. i thought his answer on conservatism might get him a c in an english class but an f in political science. and i really do think he made a fool of himself on the answer on hk. he's going to put a program in and keep people from dying in the streets. thee was nothing there. >> i ththnk that he had a good night for two reasons. one, he started right off the top reminding voters of some of the things he said in the campaign that got him a lot of support from the beginning. his positions on immigration, position onz blocking muslims from coming to the u.s. and then the focus on marco
attention away from him in terms of direct attacks from his rivals with the exception of governor bush. i think emerged relatively unscathed f you look to go after him and try to knock him down in new hampshire, inl not sure that many rivals accomplished that. >> we're not talking g out somebody here, ted cruz whoho for ted cruz, i don't think het best debate night. he is obviously really good in that environment. but because the rubio-christie exchange at the beginning, largely the night went aay for ted cruz. and he probab benefits in the long run. because all of the governors had a good night, that dilutes the fact that rubio had such a bad night and trump, you know, kind of sails towards the front. >> let me bring that up with you, jim. what we were seeing going into that debateas that trump's lead, still sizable but it was slipping away. and it was slip ago way to rubio. so if trum health care plan a relatively good night, governor sununu to the contrary
stand trump in good stead? >> this was a good night for donald trump for those reasons. this is really confusing week in terms of that establishment lane. rubio rose. that made sen. the other three did not go down. just chris christie went down. kasich and bush held their own. so it will be interesting to see -- remember, we're talking about going up. wewee talking going up in the margin of error. so this thing say jump ball. >> whethern we come back, we'll turn to the democratic race. is hillary clinton in danger of losing her frontrunner stat dwrous bernie sanders? plus, what you would like to as the panel over the battle of who is the more progressive democratic candidate?
bernie sanders represents neighboring vermont is holding on to his double digit lead over hillary clinton here in new hampshire. and the self-described democratic socialist has drawn into a dead heat nationally with clinton. ed henry has the latest on a tightening democratic race. ed? >> chris, hillary clinton may be looking past new hampshire to the south. but bernie sanders is not going away easily. >> hillary clinton making history as the first female president is no longer a slam dunk. friends like madeleine albright are getting anxious. >> there's a special place in helhe lchlt hel l for women who don't help each other. >> clinton is spending most of this sunday over 700 miles from manchester in flint, michigan trying to look presidential about the water crisis. >> it is totally unacceptable. and in the united states of
>> except the once inevitable nominee hit major roadblock on that road to the oval office. namely, bernie sanders. >> beingngart of the establishment is in the last quarter having a super pac that raised $15 million from wall street street. plus, there is the e-mail investigation and plunging poll numbers. sanders surged into a dead heat nationally which in december gave clinton a 31 point lead. her aides believe whether they get to battle grounds like south carolina where she has a big edge with african-americans, clinton will prevail. >> i think it's time to end the smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out. >> some democrats are frush straighted it took so long for that push back against sanders. and now he's raising more money than clinton which gives him the
chris? >> ed, thanks. we're back with the panel. we asked you four questions f f the pam and we got this on twitter from paul j. elliott. he tweets, hillary clinton sponsored by goldman sachs? a progressive? julie, how badly do you think the big speaking fees and millions of dollars in campaign contributions from wall street, how badly do you think that's hurting clinton? she doesn't have a great answer. there sbt a great answer. it is widely accepted she would run for president and she still wants to be thanked. we haven't seen what she said when she spoke to wall street executives. every time that bernie sanders brings that up, it reinforces a narrative about her but also a narrative about him. >> do you think because it came up in the debate whether she would release the tranxipts and the pollsters said i don't think voters are interested.
stick not release the transcripts? >> i think the question that has been asked, i think it becomes harder for her not to release them. at the same time, we have no idea what is in the speeches. so there could be a reason they don't want to release them. >> brett, what struck me watching that really interesting democratic debate this week and even in hillary clinton wins the nomination, it's going to be half a long, bitter battle with bernie handers thaha is going to keep pushing her further and further to the left. >> that's right. i went to the event this week with the chief strategist for hillary clinton. they said that the poll is an outliar and they think by the time they get to south carolina everything is going to get back together for hillary clinton. the problem is that momentum means something. and movements mean something. and if bernie sanders has a huge win here in new hampshire, he's going to have a bouncehat's going to, you know, give h h a seconon look by all kinds of different parts of e democratic party.
millions of dollars in the bank. there is nothing that's going to force him to get out of this race. >> exactly. >> that is a problem for hillary clinton. if she's vulnerable, i agree. i think this wall street thing is a big vulnerability. and what is in that transcript, maybe it's warm and fuzzy language about goldman sachs. but the e-mail thing, let's not forget about it. it is serious. >> i want to get to that. because in the debate, clinton was asked how confident she is that fbi investigation will turn up nothing about her private e-mails and classified information on that. i'm confident this is a security review that was requested. it is being carried out. it will be resolved. >> governor sununu, how serious do you think the clinton e-mail scandal is and what about clinton'ssefense which is, well, some classified information turned up on colin powell's private e-mail.
of condee rice's aides, in effect, everyone does it? >> six months ago i was worried about her coronation. now i'm worried she's not going to get the nomination. the e-mails are a serious issue. bernie has notsed them aggressively.. she got a freeide in that whole process. and i don't thinkk she understands how close she is to real political and legal trouble with what's coming through the fbi. i think the behind the scenes activity of the democratic party in trying to keep joe biden propped up and ready tells more about what her situation is more than anything else. >> how do you see -- >> i think they're hoping that joe is ready to jump in quickly. the big nors are making commitments to him that if he does have to do it, they'll be there. they're just getting ready for plan b. >> james, your sense, are voters following the e-mail scandal specifically or does it show up
issues of honesty and trustworthiness? >> obviously, did it impact her trustworthiness. you saw the numbers die since the spring heading into that 11 hour testimony. but in terms of democratic primary voters, jewel sli right. they don't care. this is a general lection issue. and how that flips into -- >> you don't see it's a problem at all in the primaries? >> i think it adds into this idea of the clintons. are there question marks that we have in terms of the democratic primary voter versus the enthusiasm you have towards bernie sanders? the two questions is something that we know and something that we%don't know. something we know is that bernie sanders raised a lot of money. that is a very -- probably the most important met rick. he raised more money than hillary clinton did. that is a really important metric. that means he can blast on. we can focus on the polls, but then it gets to the question of .
whwh is really well? is really well winning by ten points? that sounds pretty good. there is a perception that lead here is not that big inside both campaigns. >> bret, after watching the democratic debate and seeing how he argued with her on even terms and seemed to really get under her skin and after watching him draw even, not in new hampshire but on the national polls, should we start taking bernie sanders more seriously as a potential democratic nominee? >> listen, it's easy to buy into the clinton argument that a number of states don't line up for bernie sanders. and in the african-american community, so far he does not have a lot of support. that can change. i don't think it's a fantasy to believe that bernie sanders could win other states. i also come back to here in new hampshire the undeclared voters. and they coulddhift for bernie sanders in a vote against hillary clinton. they could decide that day or they could play on the republican party.
about this state in particular. >> julie, 30 seconds. i mean, you know, we all thought well he's an interesting diversion. he'll eventually go away. is it time to take bernie sanders more seriously as a potential nominee? i want to see how zu in the south, if he can stay competitive with clin in the delicate gounlt, i think we need to take him seriously. even so, we need to take him seriously as someone who will push her for a long time in this race. >> the democratic party will never let bernie be their nominee. >> all right. thank you, panel. see you sunday back in washington except for governor sununu who i assume has something better to do. zbl byby far. >> up next, nun the snow as we gogon the trail.
in new hampshire. a look at the north church hampshire. that's a beautiful sight. this is all one of the most interesting weeks on the campaign calendar, surprise results in iowa and then a mad dash to adjust just before folks here hold the nation's first primary. all the ingredients for a wild ride on the trail. >> these people, i'd like to use really foul language. i won't do it. i was going to say they're fuel of. [ beep ] but i won't say. that. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper
trumper tantrum. >> he's not a bragger. we don't allow that. >> hi, mom. here? who never answers your questions? controlled. set in. >> get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. [ applause ] >> i learned this about the clinton campaign. they are fantastic spinners. they can spin anything. >>o you have to be paid $675,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. >> if we get this election wrong, it may be too late for america. we can't let that happen. are you hot?
i want some water. >> if you get a call on tuesday night saying that i dropped out it isn't true. it's a lie. keep voting. >> dr. carson? >> i'm not here just to add beauty to the stage. >> and the fact is i went back and got -- wait a second. is one of the skills you get at the united states senator esp also? >> oh, god! hold on. wait a second! >> sounds like socialism to me. democratic socialism. >> what's the difference? >> huge difference. >> huge? >> huge. >> as i said, an interesting week. and new hampshirere voters are notorious for making their minds up late.
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